10 more characters we'd like to see in 'Gotham'

9. Harley Quinn

Though she was alluded to in a recent episode of Arrow, a proper live-action debut for Harley Quinn is long overdue. Of course, the premise of Gotham means that we would be introduced to a much younger version of the character, but that would arguably be just as fascinating to see as the version pictured above! Arkham Asylum hasn't been mentioned all that much in relation to Gotham, but an appearance from the iconic landmark seems inevitable. After all, Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel was an Arkham Asylum psychiatrist who fell for The Joker when she started treating him, and though it's unlikely that the series will touch on that material, getting to know her before that happens would be great to see, especially if they drop some hints that she's a little...unhinged!

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Rory

June 1, 2014

I don't really like Josh Wilding

Josh_Wilding
June 1, 2014
Any particular reason why not? :)
1. King T'Challa
  June 1, 2014
  Dude i thought you was on cmb.com?
  1. Josh_Wilding
    June 1, 2014
    I am, but I also write for HeyUGuys and Batman-News' sister site, Spider-Man News. Oh, and the odd feature here too obviously! :)
    1. King T'Challa
      June 1, 2014
      Well damn. Nice article.
    2. King T'Challa
      June 1, 2014
      Although some characters doesn't make sense because they are around Bruce's age and some are older.
    3. Knight-Errant
      June 1, 2014
      I get the strong suspicion that age thing will be bent or just plain thrown out for this series.
2. lethargicj
  June 1, 2014
  Because you can't seem to put more than one paragraph on one page?
  1. BatmanNewsChris
    June 1, 2014
    That was my choice, so you can be mad at me :(
    1. lethargicj
      June 1, 2014
      I'm a simple man. I like scrolling with one finger.
3. Just Sayin'
  June 1, 2014
  For starters, you actually think the New 52 Mr. Freeze is a better version of Mr. Freeze than the typical "BTAS version".

Dagon Crows

June 1, 2014

I like both and disagree. I don't like Zsasz but I'm not going to say they should just keep him out of everything, because some people do, and I'm not being forced to watch it.

Brione

June 1, 2014

"I've never liked Harley Quinn. She's as relevant as Damien Wayne. They should keep her in the animated world."

Said no one else ever, only Atomic Man..

lethargicj
June 1, 2014
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. BURN.
Dagon Crows
June 1, 2014
Irrelevant? What do you even mean by that? Irrelevant to Batman? She's a Batman villain, so no less relevant than any other. In fact she's directly linked to Joker, Batman's archenemy, so she's actually a bit more relevant than most.
1. Dagon Crows
  June 1, 2014
  Why did you move on to another point, instead of answering my question? Anyway, I could say the same about any character I don't personally like... or anything really. I'm still not going to wish for popular characters to just disappear and never be used again, because I don't like them personally when I know that others do.
  1. Dagon Crows
    June 1, 2014
    "Those characters you dont like are somehow relevant."
    How very assuming of you. :)
    And I have a feeling you don't know what relevant means.
    1. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      Okay.
  2. Brione
    June 1, 2014
    "Why did you move on to another point, instead of answering my question?"
    Because he's a Troll and that's what Trolls do.
    1. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      So he's just being himself?
      Disney movies taught me not to look down on that.
    2. Brione
      June 1, 2014
      Hahahaha you writing that is one of the funniest things I've ever read
    3. Brione
      June 1, 2014
      You are trolling right now buddy. I bet Harley is one of your favorite characters. You just want attention. You succeeded, good for you..
    4. Brione
      June 1, 2014
      I'm done with you, but keep on trolling man. We all know you will...

lethargicj

June 1, 2014

Tommy Elliot, Red Hood and Falcone are the only ones on this list that make any real sense. Most of the rest are pretty crazy ideas. And the idea that Killer Croc would bring in ratings is hilarious.

Dagon Crows
June 1, 2014
I think he just meant Croc's appearance would attract viewers, not really his popularity. I think Croc could actually be used as visual shorthand for the downward spiral of the city. At least one glimpse of Croc every season, every time a little bit more of a monster; as his condition worsens, so to does the city's.
Edit: Typo
1. lethargicj
  June 1, 2014
  Yeah. Croc attracting viewers is the part I'm laughing about.
  By time we get a few years down the line for Croc to make sense, the viewers of this show will be set. There won't be any major ratings jumps or declines. People will have already decided if they like the show enough to watch it or not. The idea that a young version of Killer Croc showing up would make a bunch of people who don't watch the show decide to watch it is silly. I'd say Joker is about the only character who'd have that kind of impact.
  1. Dagon Crows
    June 1, 2014
    Well he's a very strange looking, crocodile kid, so I think it would at least interest people if he was put into the trailer. Would it bring a significant viewer boost? Doubtful, but I can see where he's coming from.

Guest

June 1, 2014

Way too early for Harley Quinn. (Assuming Joker himself doesn't exist 'till the end)

Dagon Crows
June 1, 2014
Lover's and Madmen style, working off collage debts in a restaurant/bar(can't remember the specifics)?
I'd actually be more interested in seeing her deadbeat con artist dad, who actually has a pretty good reason to be constantly running into police officer Gordon.
lethargicj
June 1, 2014
Harley always seemed like she was around 10 years younger than Joker. Maybe more. That was part of what made the relationship interesting. Joker corrupting this young woman. So if we're to assume Joker at this point in the series would be a teenager or around 20, wouldn't Harley be WAY too young to really do anything? And how would she already be a doctor at Arkham?
1. Dagon Crows
  June 1, 2014
  Based on what was reported of that leaked script (which is probably real, based on recent announcements), Joker is definitely older than a teenager, and probably a full grown man, say mid to late 20's.
  1. lethargicj
    June 1, 2014
    What leaked script?
    1. BatmanNewsChris
      June 1, 2014
      It never fully leaked online, but some websites got their hands on it and wrote up some notes:
      http://io9.com/what-we-lear...
      It's 100% legit.
    2. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      Sadly, I could never find an actual copy of the script, only reports of it, with deatils. Rereading the page linked below, I misremembered, and Joker's age seems like it could be a little more variable (though I'm still going to say, not a teenager), but I don't think it would matter too much if Joker was a fair bit older than Batman.
      http://io9.com/what-we-lear...
    3. lethargicj
      June 1, 2014
      Oh, I've seen that. But I don't remember anything about the Joker being in it.
    4. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      "There's also a comedian telling jokes in gangster Fish
      Mooney's club, jokes straight out of Reader's Digest circa 1942. Mooney laughs hysterically, and, just in case those feelings were somehow opaque to the audiences, she tells
      the comedian she likes him. A lot. Repeatedly. "
    5. BatmanNewsChris
      June 1, 2014
      I don't think the io9 folks were Bat-savvy enough to pick up on it... but a young "Joker" is definitely present in the pilot script.
    6. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      Out of curiosity, have you seen an actual copy of the script?
    7. BatmanNewsChris
      June 1, 2014
      Yes. I'll only say one other thing about it... this article mentions Carmine Falcone, we actually got a look at him in trailer!
    8. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      And the rest of my day has been planned for me.
      To Youtube!
      Edit: Well the picture sure made quick work of that. Lol. Thank you. Now I'm wondering why I never even thought about who that was when the trailer first came out.
  2. Knight-Errant
    June 1, 2014
    Yikes. If so, it strengthens my initial argument this should just be Gotham Central instead of series ten(-ish) years before Batman appears.
    1. Dagon Crows
      June 1, 2014
      I agree, but there is still some interesting potential for this show.
    2. Knight-Errant
      June 1, 2014
      I'm sure it does. I hope those who watch it find it enjoyable & have years to watch the series progress.
2. lethargicj
  June 1, 2014
  Shut up.
3. Knight-Errant
  June 1, 2014
  The woman tied up in the trunk of my car (I call her my girlfriend) kept saying the same thing to me...until I used duct tape!

Dagon Crows

June 1, 2014

I'd prefer to just see normal, not insane, Mr. Freeze. Maybe we could even see the early stages of his wife's disease, and her eventual death, leading up to his obsessive research. It could be a very emotional story if done right. We'd never be able to see whether or not he'd save his wife (after she's already frozen, and he's trying to find the cure), but it could end with the implication that he'd never stop trying, no matter how futile... followed by a few dark hints at his criminal future.

Worlds Finest Comments

June 1, 2014

I would like to see young Thomas Elliot so we can plant the seeds for Hush at least.

Danny Scarnecchia

June 1, 2014

Put Harvey Dent in there

I-AM-THE-NIGHT

June 1, 2014

I would love to see the Mad Hatter also.

MIGN

June 1, 2014

As for number 5: that definitely won't happen. Both Gotham and Arrow take place in the present day and you can't have a young Ollie co-exist with an older Ollie. Gotham takes place in a different universe. Arrow and the Flash (and possibly Constantine, but even that is doubtful) take place in the same universe, but not Gotham. It can't.

MIGN

June 1, 2014

I agree. I already don't like the fact that we have a young Catwoman. In fact, young Bruce shouldn't be a regular character either. This should be a "Gotham Central" sort of thing, where the focus is on the cops. Have them feature the Wayne murder, sure. People complain that there is too little Batman, but I actually think there is too much.

Knight-Errant
June 1, 2014
I agree with all of this, except "is just going very WRONG." The isn't for me (a lot of which stems from the issues you & karenlin mentioned), but I don't want to say its "wrong."
There will be a following for this show just like there is for Arrow, AoS, & the forthcoming Flash (none of which are for me). I don't think its 'wrong' with what's being done, just not for me.
And that's okay...
1. Knight-Errant
  June 1, 2014
  I don't know if its the "safe road", as much as a Houdini misdirection. People are (presumably) lured in with the notion this is a Batman show. You've got the characters, the foreshadowing, & the fancy wrapper. The most interesting character in the Bat-universe, Batman, isn't in the show. The concept could be that by overwhelming the viewers with the Bat-universe, he/she won't realize the linch pin is missing.
  It'll probably turn off a section of viewers just like an new imaging of an establish character(s); Star Trek, Green Arrow, Superman, etc.

RPMan

June 1, 2014

I hope they use the Joker origin story where he is forced to intrude the chemical plant.

buck135

June 1, 2014

This is going to sound petty, but my favorite Batman villain is Poison Ivy. I wasn't excited about the show until I saw that she was included. Then I read that they butchered her name from Pamela Isley to Ivy Pepper. Essentially saying, the viewers are too stupid to figure out who a young Pamela Isley will become. This shouldn't bother me this much, but it does. I'm going to pass on the show.

The Dark Knight Detective

June 1, 2014

No to Arrow and Sups (though mostly Sups), yes to everything else. I'd rather not have overpowered aliens invading the show in later seasons when Batman is introduced because otherwise it would be something like this

Joe: Steve, I got a great idea for a bank heist you see we do this, that and then this
Steve: That's great Joe, but you're forgetting one thing
Joe: What's that?
Steve: Superman
Joe: ......dammit you're right, oh well.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what must happen on a daily basis in Metropolis.

Steve: I got a plan for world domination!
Joe: Superman
Steve: ****! Every freaking time!

Knight-Errant
June 1, 2014
You more then likely won't see Batman in the series. Fox doesn't have the rights to the character.

Jim Shields

June 1, 2014

Doesn't make sense to try to cram Bane into this. He's not from Gotham nor should he be. No way will they have Ollie Queen or Clark Kent. Vickie Vale is perfect for the school newspaper. Harley could be a girl in school with Bruce who is leaning towards psychology. And they definitely should touch on the Court of Owls

Gothamite1939

June 1, 2014

Two characters that I would love to see in this show are Roman Sionis and Tommy Elliot, they can put a young Clark Kent in this show for a cameo, I remember reading a Batman Crossover with Superman about when they were young and unwittingly crossed paths after Bruce's parents were murdered and he was travelling through Smallville with Alfred.
But I would rather the show focus on Gordon and him trying to stop the growing corruption in Gotham etc, sought of go deeper and expand the world of Gotham. In my opinion the stories are there, in particular the mob side of things with Maroni and Falcone etc.

Phil

June 1, 2014

I would like to see Harvey Dent / Two-Face in the series.

The_Joker
June 2, 2014
He wouldn't be Two-Face while being 12 years old.
1. Phil
  June 13, 2014
  I get your point, thanks.
  1. The_Joker
    June 13, 2014
    Your welcome :)

Smirking_Revenge

June 1, 2014

From what I know, they want to make this TV show as realistic as Nolan's movies. I don't see how they can use characters like Killer Croc fit into a real life adaptation without it looking cheesy and campy.

I like Bane but chronologically, and geographically, it doesn't make sense. As far as I know he's at least 10 years younger than Bruce Wayne so he wouldn't even be alive during this show. That and the fact he'd be on the other side of the planet anyway.

The characters that make the most sense are the realistic ones like Carmine Falcone or Roland Daggett (from B:TAS) or Ra's Al Ghul and League of Shadows.

Mr.Freeze

June 2, 2014

what killed the dinosaurs? the ice age!

The_Joker
June 2, 2014
Actually is was a meteor.
Aheaney15
June 6, 2014
Funny reference, but there is a (this is not an exaggeration) 60 million year gap between the extinction of the dinosaurs and the beginning of the last ice age, according to every historian/paleontologist ever! but as i said, funny reference to the worst movie ever.

Kerk Lastnameless

June 2, 2014

What would a child-Bane be doing in Gotham? He is a Mexican, with heavy accent. No, he shouldn't be there.

Clark Kent also wouldn't go there as a child.

Hush, very much yes. But he won't. I don't know why, but DC just seems to be uninterested in him.

Captain DC

June 2, 2014

Thomas Elliot is an obvious one. BUT, Bane has no pre-Batman ties to Gotham. Fox can't touch Clark Kent or Oliver Queen. A young Harley Quinn would be a waste, because the actual Joker, is who unlocks her craziness. How about a young Rachel Dawes? Or, NOT.

June 2, 2014

ROMAN SIONIS should be young Bruce's best friend in this series!

And Joe Chill should have a big role in the first season!

Aheaney15

June 4, 2014

Bane- No
Harley- No
Clark Kent- Maybe
Oliver Queen- Possible
Vicki Vale- No
All others: YES!!!

I would also love Arnold Wesker, a young, failed puppet entertainer with a speech impediment.

Josh

February 7, 2016

Carmine falcone was in the first episode of the first series and red hood papered in the first series

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